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Post by tarathielle on May 20, 2013 20:03:14 GMT -5
The way he's talking? Do you mean speaking the truth? Everyone owes taxes and there is no getting around that. If you have a problem with that, that's your own business and you can take it up with the count who owns the very land your little "establishment" is on.
However, keep threatening my companion and I will "further" this "issue" myself.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 20:40:07 GMT -5
Very well the issue has been furthered.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 20:52:28 GMT -5
Fire-elf, Mugthar suggest leave for Shiny-elf and T-man to quarrel. Fire-elf's loyalty good, but this not his matter, nor is it Mugthars. Shiny-elf and T-man can solve pale-skin way, or Green-skin way but must be them who solve, other's interfere nothing changes.
In case there doubt, Muthar not pay Taxes, if Count-Chief want, Count-Chief come get himself. Mugthar realize Mugthar actually has no coins, but if Mugthar did he still no give to Count-Chief. What Count-Chief done for Mugthar? Why Mugthar give tribute of his honorably earned spoils?
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Post by hank on May 20, 2013 21:05:26 GMT -5
There is nothing to settle. I do not understand why Mr. Citanul seems so threatened by me but I am following the laws of Kyranthia.
I do understand that some need to bluster and strut to compensate for any self perceived short comings, so as an act of kindness I do not believe I will report Citanul's threat against the Mayor of Valderian's Gate.
Citanul please feel free to stop by I Varda Linde for a beverage compliments of the house. I would suggest the Elven Wine but I am not sure it would be to your liking.
That being said I have far more pressing matters to attend to than any perceived slight Citanul may be nursing.
T'Char, the Traveler
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 19:21:48 GMT -5
so as an act of kindness I do not believe I will report Citanul's threat against the Mayor of Valderian's Gate.
Mugthar had no quarrel with shiny-elf but Mugthar thinks maybe he is wrong not to. Mugthar tell Fire-elf that quarrel not his bussiness nor is it Mugthar's; this no longer true, this everyone's quarrel now. Shiny-elf say he is chief, Mugthar laugh in his face for he is unearned, unproven, unwanted; Mugthar is not wrong and no one says he is. Shiny-elf say he no want be chief, and shiny-elf complain that T-man threatens him, yet Shiny-elf threatens us all. Shiny-elf really so cowardly and dishonorable to say he no want chief, but then threaten to use false title against those who have courage to speak their minds?! A true chief meets his challengers with pride! Challenge keeps chief strong, Shiny-elf prove his lack of worth. Mugthar sorry to say shiny-elf reached new low. Mugthar hears words as threat to all in Valdarin's gate, disagree or challenge shiny-elf and he will try and use false chief power against you. Mugthar is embarrassed for those who stand with shiny-elf, for Mugthar likes many of them, and all of them are shamed with Shiny-elf's words.
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Post by hank on May 21, 2013 19:58:17 GMT -5
Mugthar this is not an orc settlement. I do not believe anyone has explained that to you so allow me. I have gleaned from you logic that it is perfectly acceptable to slaughter one and other in orc society based upon verbal disagreements and perceived slights, especially if the individual you have a grudge against is unable to defend himself; as in the case of you righteously murdering Tarathiel. However in these lands and under the King's Laws this is not acceptable.I honestly do not care if you doubt me or my ability as we have attempted to make allowances for your inability to adapt to your new home.
I have been appointed to attend to the governmental affairs of this town and although I did not seek the position I do intend to fulfill my obligations. The King rules absolutely, His Majesty appoints the Nobility to attend to the realm, the Nobility appoints lesser nobility, Mayors, bureaucrats, burgomiesters, and land lords to attend to matters directly, who in turn appoint Guard Captains, magisters, factors, priests, etc to aid him or her in his or her duties.
As far as any threat, I believe I said that I would not report Citanul's threat, which as I see it is an act of kindness.
That being said Mugthar your strength of arms is impressive and admirable, though not so much when you choose to employ your formidable skills to murder helpless citizens of the realm, however you are not in any sense possessed of a position of authority nor moral high ground.
Now if you cannot adjust to living in a more civilized fashion may I suggest you try your heavy handed and ham fisted tactics at leadership amoungst the orc tribes.
And before you start screaming "Mugthar angry at shiny elf (and it is T'Char by the way). Mugthr challenge shiny elf!" Know this I will never engage you in a pointless challenge or dual or whatever to sooth your hurt feelings. This is not a savage society grow up and get over it.
This all being said, these posts started because the Count wants this town to submit the Taxes we owe to him because we live on his land, a portion of which the Count must forward to the King because these are His lands. Is there any more confusion on this point?
T'Char, the Traveler Mayor of Valderain's Gate Seeker of Lyanna
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 21:03:18 GMT -5
Mugthar not murder anyone... Mugthar is honorable warrior and he always keeps his word.
Mugthar gave fire-elf warning upon warning, Mugthar would have fought him honorably if he allowed it, but he refused to cease his insults, became matter of vengeance then; and Mugthar told him as such.
Mugthar not claim vengeance on fire-elf right then and there in the tavern only because SHINY-ELF TOLD HIM TO WAIT UNTIL TROLL DEAD!
Shiny-elf, priest-elf, T-man all ask Mugthar to hold his vengeance until Troll was dead, even when fire-elf trick Mugthar's companion, still Mugthar waited and honored his promise. So that is what Mugthar did, he laid not finger against fire-elf until Troll was dead, and once troll was dead Mugthar claimed his vengeance. If Shiny-elf disagreed why not speak mind when Mugthar did claim his vengeance?! Only one with courage to do so was Elf-tribe-dwarf, he is far greater man than you shiny-elf, Mugthar spits on your name.
Shiny-elf; Mugthar was not your enemy until you make false claims and twist truth about Mugthar's honor. Mugthar sees false chief title goes to Shiny-elf's head, Mugthar is Shiny-elf's enemy now.
Mugthar is ashamed and disgusted that he was starting to see shiny-elf as friend and tribesman... Mugthar learns from his mistakes, shiny-elf prove that pointy-ear can't be trusted, that their words are sweet as honey one moment and twisted, vile and poisonous the next.
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Post by hank on May 21, 2013 21:24:08 GMT -5
I am terribly distressed to hear that you are so upset Mugthar.
Though you refuse to understand I am not your enemy nor do I desire to be anyone's enemy. I was not aware of how sensitive and easily up set you could be.
I too understand all to well the curse of not understanding all the nuances of culture into which one has been thrust . I think perhaps you should speak with Lily, she has done wonders educating me as to how civilized people are supposed to behave or perhaps you would prefer to speak with Eyrn, the elf that saved your life.
As for the murder of a citizen, well perhaps you were so filled with rage that you simple didn't recognize that you struck down a helpless individual? While in most cultures this would be seen as very dishonorable act, perhaps an argument could be made that you did not possess the cognitive ability to recognize the horror of your own actions. I promise you that if the Law does get involved in this case I will spare no effort to see that you are defended and granted all due measures of leniency and that your affliction is considered as an extenuating circumstance.
It weighs heavily upon my heart that you consider me an enemy and if you feel you must take your leave from Valderain's Gate I will understand and not think any the less of you for it.
T'Char, the Traveler Mayor of Valderain's Gate Seeker of Lyanna
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Post by hank on May 21, 2013 22:55:42 GMT -5
Mugthar, I am sincere in my offer of assistance in helping you adjust to living in a different culture. Whereas I do not possess much of the knowledge myself, Lily and Mak'ton have been aiding me and will happily aid you as well. I, like you, am a stranger in a strange land. I have recently discovered where it is I come from and now believe that I am not less than a year old as I believed earlier. I like you have many barriers before me preventing me from returning home. And I like you do not easily fit in in this place. I respect your convictions and honesty but I will not be cowed into submission by angry words. There exist Laws in this land that you and I, like everyone else, must follow. We have far more similarities than differences. I had intended to send you this privately but I decided that perhaps my words were harsh, and I will make no excuse for that, and that I should express myself sincerely in a public manner. The job I have been burdened with is a difficult one and your cooperation would make things easier for everyone involved.
T'Char, the Traveler Seeker of Lyanna
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Post by Ciro on May 21, 2013 23:06:30 GMT -5
The way he's talking? Do you mean speaking the truth? Everyone owes taxes and there is no getting around that. If you have a problem with that, that's your own business and you can take it up with the count who owns the very land your little "establishment" is on. However, keep threatening my companion and I will "further" this "issue" myself. We'll discuss this "threatening", you and I, as I don't take very kindly to threats directed toward the Captain. I'll be sure to project my voice in such a manner that your recent injury, incidentally a result of similar hubris, does not cause my words to elude your faculties. Cpt. Driftwood's personal affairs are his own. That said, any threat to his safety is also a threat to the integrity of The White Hand as a whole. I am also willing to discuss these matters through proxy or a chosen liaison, from your end. It is to my understanding that you tend to avoid conflict in the flesh. I don't blame you.
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Post by hank on May 21, 2013 23:23:27 GMT -5
There will be no more violence between the citizenry of Valderain's Gate.
Our differences can be solved with courage not rage. Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak. Courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.
The enemies of all Man, Dwarf, Elf, Grigori, Orc, Hobgoblin, Goblin, and Halfling kind is already at our gates. And we, including myself are doing nothing but making their task, the task of eliminating us, easier. If we don’t change the direction we are going, we are likely to end up where we are heading.
T'Char, the Traveler Seeker of Lyanna
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Post by tarathielle on May 22, 2013 7:53:03 GMT -5
Ciro,
I am confused as to why you think I would go through a proxy. I faced Mugthar when he and I had a quarrel twice without hiding behind anyone. Once in the tavern in which I was able to incapacitate him and once at the forge where I did not run away (even though helpless). I considered the matter done at the tavern as I had a blood debt to Mugthar and paid it by not killing him there.
Because he did not consider the matter finished he attacked me again. Though, if I had to speak truth, I do not even think he knew then that I was rendered helpless by a slavers collar. I believe the matter between Mugthar and I is settled. Though, I would have preferred to have it ended in the tavern, that is hardly something I can change and the slaver's collar was none of his doing and a result my own ignorance to the way of "Jobs" (though I have educated suspicions that it may have been "aided" by others in the town without Mugthar's knowledge). If others tried to disuade him from the fight other than those two times, it was not at my behest.
In fact, thinking on it, Mugthar and myself are the only two in town who have actually acted on the words they have spoken here on this public forum and kept their words. As such, I am removing myself from this conversation as I see no point in talking to you or your "Captain". Just know this, if either you, Ciro, or Citanul attack my friend, be ready to play with fire.
-Tarathielle
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Post by Ciro on May 22, 2013 12:59:23 GMT -5
Ciro, I am confused as to why you think I would go through a proxy. I faced Mugthar when he and I had a quarrel twice without hiding behind anyone. Once in the tavern in which I was able to incapacitate him and once at the forge where I did not run away (even though helpless). I considered the matter done at the tavern as I had a blood debt to Mugthar and paid it by not killing him there. Because he did not consider the matter finished he attacked me again. Though, if I had to speak truth, I do not even think he knew then that I was rendered helpless by a slavers collar. I believe the matter between Mugthar and I is settled. Though, I would have preferred to have it ended in the tavern, that is hardly something I can change and the slaver's collar was none of his doing and a result my own ignorance to the way of "Jobs" (though I have educated suspicions that it may have been "aided" by others in the town without Mugthar's knowledge). If others tried to disuade him from the fight other than those two times, it was not at my behest. In fact, thinking on it, Mugthar and myself are the only two in town who have actually acted on the words they have spoken here on this public forum and kept their words. As such, I am removing myself from this conversation as I see no point in talking to you or your "Captain". Just know this, if either you, Ciro, or Citanul attack my friend, be ready to play with fire. -Tarathielle I'd expect nothing less.
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Post by hank on May 22, 2013 13:31:50 GMT -5
I am pleased to announce good news! The King has graciously lowered Taxes for this coming moon, in celebration of the Talamh Festival! Individual taxes will be lowered to 2 copper and business taxes to 15%.
I am awaiting missives as to the disposition of taxes owed from the previous moon.
T'Char, the Traveler Mayor of Valderain's Gate Seeker of Lyanna
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