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Post by Vilige iddiot on Apr 22, 2013 22:30:19 GMT -5
'Lord" Ironforge calls himself a lord and he prays to gods which we all know that there is only a light and a dark. He crowned himself lord, no one crowned him. He just calls himself lord so he can assume control over others! How long will this go on?! He prays to gods that we know dont exist. This has to be some sort of evil doing!!! King of the dwarves indeed!
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Post by Ulrich Firelord on Apr 23, 2013 6:52:56 GMT -5
Hmm... sounds like he needs to be shown that his false claims and heracy will not be tolerated in valdarins gate.
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Post by mitch on Apr 23, 2013 9:10:24 GMT -5
I will be conducting an investigation to these claims of heresy. I just want you all to stay calm and let us do our job. If the verdict is guilty we will deal with it as it comes. I want no vigilante justice in town and anyone attempting it will be brought up on charges. As far as Lordship that's not my department but I assume its Lord of some where else and he doesn't have jurisdiction. The light works in mysterious ways. The light by any other name is just as radiant. Please be safe and I hope to see you all at the temple ceremonies this Saturday which I'm hoping is before the mages guild meeting.
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Post by Vilige iddiot on Apr 23, 2013 9:14:37 GMT -5
hes guilty!!!
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 23, 2013 9:27:18 GMT -5
While I have never paid much attention to the philosophical beliefs of my own dwarven companion, Kivi, I have to admit he has been a reliable ally.
It is entirely possible that this Lord Ironforge could just be a fool who is having delusions of grandeur. Or, he could just be worshipping the light in his own way. Have you heard how dwarves are raised after all? There have been rumors that they are raised on nothing but ale and whiskey...
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Post by klovathian on Apr 23, 2013 13:57:01 GMT -5
To the matter of this, "Lord Ironforge" he and his so called temple will be dealt with accordingly. One way or another we will get to the bottom of what's been going on. To claim that the Orc's attacked his caravan during a peace treaty is simply unheard of. How do we know if there even was a caravan. They claim to worship a non existing god when there clearly is only light and dark. Anyone walking around claiming such things, who knows what else they are capable of. . .
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Post by hank on Apr 23, 2013 13:59:08 GMT -5
As far as Heresy is concerned that is a matter for the clergy and in this case the official Clerical Liaison to the mayor of Valderan's Gate is Mak'ton of the Light and the town government and her people shall abide by Mak'ton's findings.
I would, however, like to take this moment to clarify to the people that the worship of the light, historically has taken many forms, from the current church of the light and even the nature worship of the druids to far more ancient religions; and each in a variation honored the Light, though not always as everyone would recognize.
The second point I would like to address is this Dwarf's claims of Lordship. I have not met this Dwarf and do not know of him that being said has anyone here met this dwarf and or know of him? We cannot and should not attack his claim of lordship with out first engaging in due diligence. I am not an expert on heraldic history nor of noble lineages, to that end I have engaged the official Liaison of Clandestine Affairs to the mayor of Valderan's Gate, whose name shall not be published, to obtain this information on my behalf. I do understand that the false claim of nobility is a serious offense in most of the civilized world and this matter will be dealt with appropriately.
T'Char, the Traveler
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Post by Villige iddiot on Apr 23, 2013 16:32:12 GMT -5
I have not met, but have heard of his arrogance. He aims to control the things the dwarves do. He hopes to be the leader of the dwarves and most dwarves would not want such a leader. Hes arrogant and missleads people. Making people trust him with a single shy smile. He is mistrusting. I dont trust him.
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Post by Townsmen on Apr 23, 2013 17:20:51 GMT -5
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 17:55:54 GMT -5
Mugthar said he would wait for priest-elf's word on matter and wait he shall. Moroth too has spoke no ill towards forge-dwarfs from his visions and omens. That said, Mugthar not know who this "may-yor" is and he respects him not, Mugthar never respect any so called chief unearned and unproven. Only one worthy of Mugthar's respect is one who can best him. Mugthar cares not how many words and titles this "may-yor" invents for himself and his followers, they are as meaningless as they are powerless.
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Post by hank on Apr 23, 2013 18:29:17 GMT -5
Mugthar,
I have been appointed to serve the community as Mayor by His Excellency. I have been informed as to what that means and as to what the accompanying duties entail. I serve at the behest of His Excellency and to the best of my abilities for the benefit of all those who call Valdaran's Gate home.
T'Char, the Traveler
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 18:53:53 GMT -5
You?! Shiny-elf thinks he is Chief?! Ahahaha Mugthar likes shiny-elf's humor, makes Mugthar laugh very well.
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Post by Ulrich Firelord on Apr 23, 2013 19:00:22 GMT -5
Soo many claims of power yet nobody here to prove it. I say t'char vs ironforge battle to the death. The winner can then face the lich if he can best the lich only then would I consider looking to either of these fools as my leader.
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Post by hank on Apr 23, 2013 19:20:57 GMT -5
Mugthar,
The challenge of leadership is to be strong, but not rude; be kind, but not weak; be bold, but not bully; be thoughtful, but not lazy; be humble, but not timid; be proud, but not arrogant; have humor, but without folly.
A true leader has the confidence to stand alone, the courage to make tough decisions, and the compassion to listen to the needs of others. He does not set out to be a leader, but becomes one by the equality of his actions and the integrity of his intent.
I did not seek the mantel of leadership, rather it was placed upon my shoulders; however leaders are not born. They are made much like a common blade however, no amount of tempering can stand as a test to the effectiveness of a leader. The tests of a leader come first and the lessons follow.
I start with the premise that the function of leadership is to produce more leaders, not more followers.
To command is to serve, nothing more and nothing less.
T'Char, the Traveler
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Post by mitch on Apr 23, 2013 19:25:17 GMT -5
Your logic is flawed. Would you then follow the lich if they both fell? Leadership by fear and force is temporary. Only until any weakness can be found then another takes its place and then another. I have no desire for leadership I have enough on my plate dealing with the dead and protecting the living. I have no time for politics. I may not know the reasoning for T'Char receiving his position of leadership from thoes who can give it. I do know that for now he has the job and that's enough for me. If you fools continue this unnessasary fighting we will all be doomed. Only unity will help us fight the Lich and its minions. Don't fool your self by thinking that his boney fingers aren't stirring the pot of controversy waiting for us to tear each other apart. Hope is hard to kill and we have the strength to make it flourish. Please listen so we can one day know peace.
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