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Post by Villige Iddiot on Apr 23, 2013 19:36:45 GMT -5
What makes ironforge stay as the lord of the dwarves? what if he is actually working with the litch? What if he is putting himself higher and higher and no one stops him and he will be just as bad as the litch. Next he will want to be the leader of the elves! There should only be one person leading the town, and it should not be ironforge, but hes coming up fast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 19:53:36 GMT -5
Shiny-elf speak much but say nothing, Mugthar will treat his words as he always has, so-called-chief or not.
Mugthar likes priest-elf, but Mugthar thinks it is he who is fool. Mugthar think Ulrich make joke just as Shiny-elf did by saying his is Chief. Regardless Priest-elf wrong about peace, peace only leads to weakness, and the weak perish. Mugthar is very strong, but only because of constant battle with Hobgoblin tribes of the Smolder-field. Doesn't matter if chief or warrior, both must be strong enough to stand against challenge at anytime. Challenge others, keeps them strong, those unable to stand strong, cast down lest they poison tribe with their weakness. Shiny-elf may think he is chief but chief only in words, he is untried, untested, unproven, he has not earned the respect of his tribe or his enemies. Mugthar not understand much the pointy-ears say, but Mugthar know folly when he sees it. Mugthar will continue to challenge any and all he dares, those strong enough will survive and Valdarin's Gate will be stronger for Mugthar's actions.
Mugthar calls any who bow and submit to shiny-elf as chief LOWER THAN DOGS, even dogs only obey master who earns their respect, who gives them reason to. Mugthar says if Valdarin's Gate must have Chief let that Chief be worthy, let that chief be chose by his tribe by action, not word. Mugthar says none but the weak, the cowardly, and the honor-less would obey any chief by words alone.
And Mugthar not scared of dwarf, If forge-dwarf truly threat Mugthar will shave him and gift his precious forge to Orc tribes.
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 23, 2013 19:53:43 GMT -5
Haha, your a funny little human... A dwarf leading elves... Thats a good one.
How exactly is he coming up fast? Because he's made a temple/tavern (Which should give you insight into his thought process anyway)? Here let me put your little minds at ease. If Mak'Ton finds any connection to the lich or to the the forces of shadow, I'll roast him down to his short little bones. If there is no proof, then he is just a silly little beardling who has likely lost his mind in a bottle somewhere along the line...
That should calm your nerves. If that is not enough, then go north away from the scary dwarf and stop pestering your betters. At this point, Mugthar is making more sense then you are. Think on that for a second (or as long as it takes for you to understand).
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 23, 2013 19:58:45 GMT -5
Ah, Mugthar. You say you respect those who best you. That will be interesting when I best you in our duel...
Also, you may be forgetting that it was T'Char who took down those pillars several moons ago. He is also the one who stood up to the lich and died standing instead of running.
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Post by Vilige iddiot on Apr 23, 2013 20:00:52 GMT -5
T'char only faced the litch because we all pushed him in front of us
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Post by lordironforge on Apr 23, 2013 20:07:14 GMT -5
I WILL PUT THIS ALL TO REST . EACH DWARVEN CLAN LEADER HOLDS THE TITLE OF LORD AND ON TOP OF THAT I AM THE LEADER OF MY FAITH AND KNIGHTLY ORDER. IF YOU ALL HAVE PROBLMS WITH THIS I WILL OBLIGE YOU ALL ONE AT A TIME.
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Post by Ulrich Firelord on Apr 23, 2013 20:09:55 GMT -5
My logic is not flawed I just believe that a leader strong and capable of tending to the needs of the people. The lich must be removed and if anyone can best him I believe they may be a worthy leader.
T'char may claim to be leader for now but he has not explained why he believes he is. I'm not saying I disprove of him being a leader but for someone to just come in and claim to lead a town is absurd to me and why has nobody opposed him so fiercely as they have opposed this ironforge fellow.
All I'm saying is I believe a leader should have earned his place through achievements may they be skill in battle, great wisdom, or some other great deed. I will not call any man leader unless he has shown me he is worthy to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:09:56 GMT -5
Fire-elf clearly not understand so Mugthar will help him for Mugthar IS honorable and wants no mistake be made, Mugthar not duel fire-elf. Fire-elf not worthy of that honor, Mugthar will simply kill fire-elf and any who stand in his way. Fire-elf's words have cost him his life, and no longer will Mugthar abide them.
Mugthar will keep one of fire-elf's ears as trophy and reminder so should he return from the realm of Death he will be known as the pointy-elf who insulted greenskins and paid the price for it. Mugthar will wear fire-elf's ear so all will know their fate if they too show such disrespect and insult towards honorable greenskins. Fire-elf's fate will be lesson for all the pointy-ears who think they are beyond consequence.
Shiny-elf was one of many who removed the Pillars, and from what Mugthar has been told he was the one who unleashed the lich in the first place! Shiny-elf deserves no honor for actions such as that, far from it in fact.
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Post by lordironforge on Apr 23, 2013 20:11:41 GMT -5
THE CODE I LIVE BY .
A KNIGHT IS SWORN TO VALOR, HIS HART KNOWS ONLY VIRTUE, HIS BLADE DEFENDS THE HELPLESS , HIS MIGHT UPHOLDS THE WEAK, HIS WROTH UNDOES THE WICKED.
I BRING FAITH TO THE FAITHLESS AND JUSTICE TO THE WICKED
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Post by hank on Apr 23, 2013 20:20:26 GMT -5
When the Liche demanded to know who our Champion, our Leader was the entirety of the town pointed at me; and I stood my ground.
Yes I did also enact the ritual which rid the town of the corrupted mana pillars; however I only accomplished that task by appointing each member a task of their own to contribute to that success and by allowing each individual the respect and autonomy to achieve their appointed task in a manner suitable to their abilities. Then by trusting in the strength of others such as Mugthar to protect me ans the ritual circle so that I could complete my task.
Leadership is not controlling people but rather affording them the respect and opportunity to achieve the best they can.
I do not demand obedience; I have no right to. Every sentient being must choose his or her own path. No being may command another being without said being's consent.
T'Char, the Traveler
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Post by Ulrich Firelord on Apr 23, 2013 20:25:41 GMT -5
Mugthar is one of few people to show me he is worthy to fight alongside. Id sooner lend my sword to him than these false leaders. Mugthar does not claim to be leader. He speaks threw actions and that means a lot in a time like this.
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 23, 2013 20:25:56 GMT -5
Ulrich, T'Char did not appoint himself the Mayor. The Prince came and appointed him.
Ironforge, its best if you stop speaking. I do not say that you are working with the lich or are a servant of shadow. Nor do I say you are innocent. We shall let the church of the light decide that.
Mugthar, it doesn't matter why you fight me. All that matters is what I shall do after that fight.
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Post by lordironforge on Apr 23, 2013 20:27:59 GMT -5
SO I SHOULD NOT SPEAK UP WHEN SOMONE SLANDERS MY HOUNR
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 23, 2013 20:29:12 GMT -5
Also Ulrich, I am not sure you have much say in the matter of "honor". You were given a chance to keep your honor and now must work to earn it again.
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 23, 2013 20:34:04 GMT -5
If you are truly honorable, then you should have no fear from the church of the light. If you are proven innocent, then you will have your reputation will be assured and the people speaking against you proven wrong.
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