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Post by tarathielle on Apr 24, 2013 21:19:04 GMT -5
It seems like we do have some fragmentation. I myself let my anger take root and rule over my words. However, rigth now we need to look past the small things and work together to face a very real and very dangerous threat hanging over us all.
Citanul, while we haven't always agreed on everything, I have found you at least to be steady in your own way. You have always tried to avoid violence and I respect that. Would it not be best to work together now to avoid further death? I have seen too much suffering in my life to see another town brought down for petty squabbles.
T'Char, yes you were "appointed" mayor. However, even though I have traveled with you for some time, you must see that this was the action of a lazy man who wanted nothing more than to fulfill his obligations speedily instead of with the diligence he should have. I say we set aside any supposed titles given for now and work as a community to get rid of this Undead Scourge upon us. After that threat is dealt with, we can then decide how to procede from there.
Balunor Ironforge, I can understand your ire with the people slandering your name. However, if you fight or hurt those accusing you, all it will do is weaken the town and do the liches work for him. If you submit to a just investigation by the Church of the Light and are found innocent, I will welcome you openly to our town and will stand with you against the Darkness.
People of Valdarin's Gate, do you not think we have enough enemies at our doorstep as it is? Would you like to see our town and the surrounding countryside turned into a Necroplis of the Dead? I saw my entire clan burned to the ground. My entire family died for no better reason than a whim and that is what this Lich intends. I can't bear to see that again. Let us fight together and not with each other.
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Post by Ciro on Apr 24, 2013 21:35:59 GMT -5
Mugthar, The challenge of leadership is to be strong, but not rude; be kind, but not weak; be bold, but not bully; be thoughtful, but not lazy; be humble, but not timid; be proud, but not arrogant; have humor, but without folly.
A true leader has the confidence to stand alone, the courage to make tough decisions, and the compassion to listen to the needs of others. He does not set out to be a leader, but becomes one by the equality of his actions and the integrity of his intent. I did not seek the mantel of leadership, rather it was placed upon my shoulders; however leaders are not born. They are made much like a common blade however, no amount of tempering can stand as a test to the effectiveness of a leader. The tests of a leader come first and the lessons follow.
I start with the premise that the function of leadership is to produce more leaders, not more followers.
To command is to serve, nothing more and nothing less.
T'Char, the Traveler
I find your claim that among the virtues of a refined leader is a learned or innate inclination toward empathy, a certain compassion for others, somewhat curious. Would that not, in a diplomatic sense, lend itself to an approach whereby the aggregate sum of the needs of this town would ultimately take precedence over this "mantle" which has been placed upon your shoulders? If you do possess the qualities you've outlined here, you have a somewhat odd way of displaying them to the public. If the needs of the many are truly at the forefront of your purported office, then why accept a hand which offers them to you sans their consideration or approval? When the Liche demanded to know who our Champion, our Leader was the entirety of the town pointed at me; and I stood my ground.
Yes I did also enact the ritual which rid the town of the corrupted mana pillars; however I only accomplished that task by appointing each member a task of their own to contribute to that success and by allowing each individual the respect and autonomy to achieve their appointed task in a manner suitable to their abilities. Then by trusting in the strength of others such as Mugthar to protect me ans the ritual circle so that I could complete my task.
Leadership is not controlling people but rather affording them the respect and opportunity to achieve the best they can.
I do not demand obedience; I have no right to. Every sentient being must choose his or her own path. No being may command another being without said being's consent.
T'Char, the Traveler As the Captain noted, you were pointed to in a bout of insincere jest on his part, nothing more. I was present during this ritual, and as I recall, and as I'm sure many citizens who are not inexorably predisposed to your amalgam of personal interests in these matters will recall, much of the direction of the townsfolk fell into the hands of the community at large; there were several subsections of townspeople dedicated to individualized tasks, true, but those sections were lead by separate entities, and as I recall, were not simply appointed by your hand. You lead the ritual in an objectively material sense, yes: You performed it. And for that, we certainly owe you a debt of gratitude, but do not claim that your oversight or guidance held dominion over the town's knowledge of its own strengths and its ability to recognize those strengths and utilize them in a manner conducive to victory. This is where a discernible arrogance is apparent in the ilk of your character, your presumptuous and autocratic approach to the public. It seems to me that you are implying these tasks could not have been accomplished if not for your oversight, as if the public are driveling fools. It's a shame that you view people in this way, but unfortunately it isn't uncommon for your kind, I suppose. Thankfully, my experience with the Elves comes mostly from my time spent with Captain Driftwood, who somehow seems to forego what appear to be some outwardly pompous cultural norms. Captain Citanul, I do not understand your accusations of the arrogance of my actions nor of your desire to find humour at my expense rather than to share with me any observations of behaviour which could be perceived as negative and then offering productive advice.
I also remember asking you for assistance, in the matter of collecting the taxes which the Duke had ordered that I collect. I asked you to assist because you ha a much more in depth understanding of commerce than I possess.
I do not comprehend why the conditions of my existence irritate you and I assure you I do not think myself particularly wise and I can only say that my words are merely the result of deep and careful contemplation of the situations and nuances that have been presented before me.
Should the Duke renounce his decision I will happily oblige, should the Viscount return to his duties I will happily return to my studies.
By Lyanna's grace, I intended only to serve the community which welcomed Lily and I into it's protection and community. The aggression, the distrust, the hatred which has become the currency of these small peoples concern me and trouble me greatly.
It is apparent that strength of arms rather than strength of character is the virtue aspired to here and that indeed makes my heart heavy.
T'Char, the Traveler
post script- I believe according to my personal journal, it has been 275 days. It is apparent, agreed. Given the sheer enormity of your party and given that the chief component of social sway exists as a function of the majority, I am sure you have a very comprehensive grasp of leadership through force of will. I personally do not ask that you step down from the position you've been so thoughtfully granted, however, if you wish to harp on the importance of the people's wants, and the importance of "character" and "integrity", I think you'd be better served allowing those people to openly voice their concerns. I think a man with any sort of genuine integrity would realize, as you've stated plainly, that leadership is not simply an assignment. It should be a universal reflection of the people it governs. -First Mate Ciro Pisano of The White Hand
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 24, 2013 22:02:52 GMT -5
Ciro, I agree that leadership isn't just an assignment. When we have dealt with the Lich, then I would say it would be best to decide how we should procede from there.
So, I ask you and your Captain this: Can we put aside this issue for now and work together to deal with the bigger problem that is plaguing us all? In fact, it is likely this looming darkness that is stirring up so many heated emotions. I feel that if it were dealt with, many nerves would be soothed.
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Post by mitch on Apr 24, 2013 22:18:27 GMT -5
Lilly wished to put her words to paper despite being illiterate.
I know T'Char is really young only being 275 days old but back off he has learned allot in that time. He only has a few experiences to help him make decisions and he has helped allot in town. I think if we give him more time he will surprise us and learn allot from us too.
Dictated not read Lilly
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 6:56:31 GMT -5
Mugthar understand that shiny-elf not remember life, and Mugthar must wonder that everything else Mugthar has said aside, one of reasons Chief important because they seen much, they know much. An veteran scarred warrior knows battle far better than a child clutching his first axe. How can pale-skins and pointy-ears stand behind a chief who has experience of child? Even if Shiny-elf did know much, he doesn't remember so doesn't matter.
Not all worthy of Chief, otherwise every tribe would be nothing but Chief. Not disgrace to say Shiny-elf should not be chief, Mugthar say such words are survival. Blue-elf is loyal and Mugthar respect bonds of fellowship very much, very honorable to defend one's tribe and kin but Blue-elf need also understand that when one is chief or tries to be, it is duty of tribe to criticize them for weakness so that tribe may either strengthen him or replace him, in this case replace since he is unearned, unproven, unwanted, unrespected as chief.
Mugthar says that when proper Chief of Valdarin's gate be chosen it is one who both wants be chief, one who tribe respects judgment of, and one who is strong enough to fend of challengers, as proper. Actions speak far louder than words, words can be forgotten, words can be meaningless, but deeds matter and live on. If it takes time for Valdarin's gate to find such a chief, then so be it, better we wait and find proper chief than suffer under wrong, or ill chosen one. Mugthar will never heed a chief of any other kind, and he spits on any who would.
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Post by the tanner on Apr 25, 2013 9:54:05 GMT -5
Pardon me, but i am a bit confused. Did the priest just say that the wizard is only 275 days old?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 10:08:00 GMT -5
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Post by tarathielle on Apr 25, 2013 10:30:58 GMT -5
No, T'char said he can only recollect the last 275 days.
My friend, Ril'l, has asked me to point out that Lily is not the "Blue-Elf" as mugthar has so eloquently put it.
Lily is the one who found T'Char. The Blue-Elf is Ril'l. See her message above (with the picture).
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Post by lordironforge on Apr 25, 2013 11:00:55 GMT -5
hmmmm
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Post by Finius Pigfarmer on Apr 25, 2013 13:41:12 GMT -5
maybe sumone shood diktate the bloo elf too. looks like skribles to me.
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Post by Ciro on Apr 25, 2013 19:49:44 GMT -5
Mugthar understand that shiny-elf not remember life, and Mugthar must wonder that everything else Mugthar has said aside, one of reasons Chief important because they seen much, they know much. An veteran scarred warrior knows battle far better than a child clutching his first axe. How can pale-skins and pointy-ears stand behind a chief who has experience of child? Even if Shiny-elf did know much, he doesn't remember so doesn't matter. Not all worthy of Chief, otherwise every tribe would be nothing but Chief. Not disgrace to say Shiny-elf should not be chief, Mugthar say such words are survival. Blue-elf is loyal and Mugthar respect bonds of fellowship very much, very honorable to defend one's tribe and kin but Blue-elf need also understand that when one is chief or tries to be, it is duty of tribe to criticize them for weakness so that tribe may either strengthen him or replace him, in this case replace since he is unearned, unproven, unwanted, unrespected as chief. Mugthar says that when proper Chief of Valdarin's gate be chosen it is one who both wants be chief, one who tribe respects judgment of, and one who is strong enough to fend of challengers, as proper. Actions speak far louder than words, words can be forgotten, words can be meaningless, but deeds matter and live on. If it takes time for Valdarin's gate to find such a chief, then so be it, better we wait and find proper chief than suffer under wrong, or ill chosen one. Mugthar will never heed a chief of any other kind, and he spits on any who would. Although I don't necessarily agree with your heavy-handed approach at times, I certainly agree that the leader of our town should be one chosen by its people, and therefore viewed in a positive light at least by the majority of those people. "Unearned", and as a result, not respected. This is also how I see it. If the town wishes to, in some fashion, elect T'Char as their leader, so be it. Neither I nor the other members of The White Hand have any sort of proximate grievance with T'Char as a man. We resent very strongly the manner in which he was given this title, however. And that is what occurred, precisely, it was simply "given".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 20:48:10 GMT -5
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Post by lordironforge on Apr 25, 2013 20:57:53 GMT -5
as old of a dwarf as i am , i will get this to the scribes to translate.
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